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NeHoMaR · Feb 25, 2008, 06:47 AM // 06:47

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Originally Posted by kerpall

Why do people buy 15k and FoW armour, 1.5k is the same?

That comparison is out of place because when you are in FoW armor people can SEE it, if you have a req14 purple elemental sword people cannot see any difference with the req7 gold one. So, in short words, if you wanna show you are rich using low req weapons, so you must unequip it all the time and show it to others everywhere via trade window.

afya · Feb 25, 2008, 06:53 AM // 06:53

several probability:
1) John is lying
2) What John talking about, is the non-max
3) It's super rare and someone don't know its value and merched it
4) It's extreme rare and no one get one yet.

I'm going with 2)~lol

Gift3d · Feb 25, 2008, 06:56 AM // 06:56

Untill i see a screenshot of a max damage, INSCRIBABLE, r7 weapon... i don't believe it.

That's right, screenshot or it didn't happen.

kerpall · Feb 25, 2008, 06:59 AM // 06:59

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Originally Posted by NeHoMaR

That comparison is out of place because when you are in FoW armor people can SEE it, if you have a req14 purple elemental sword people cannot see any difference with the req7 gold one. So, in short words, if you wanna show you are rich using low req weapons, so you must unequip it all the time and show it to others everywhere via trade window.

you don't seem to see the bigger picture. What if som nooby doesnt even know what FoW looks like, then it doesnt matter what armour you got, they could care less.

People buy things out of rarity, if you can't afford a r7, then you wouldnt understand. They buy them for the sole reason "Just because i Can".

Aside from caster shields , or builds that don't require you to have 8 or higher tactics/strength but you want the full armor capabilities of your shield.
Lower req = less space wasted in one attribute.
They have no use, but being "elite".

added: Sure if people want the attention so bad, they can show it in trade, but its not as hard as you make it out to be. Showing somthing in trade*** (srry hand-brain co-ord isnt 100% atm) is about as hard as a straight person in a gay bar.

Another reason people buy them, is for the same reason people buy crap old collecter items. It was (and maybe still is) believed they stopped dropping. People want a piece of that last "r7" pie.
(although it still looks possible that r7 non inscr's still drop with an extremely low drop rate)

kerpall · Feb 25, 2008, 07:10 AM // 07:10

Ugh.. All the sceptics asked for evidence. Evidence was provided by Anet Dev's. Now you are questioning the devs (cmon, they made the game! thats like questioning Einstein if E really equals Mc^2...)

maraxusofk · Feb 25, 2008, 07:14 AM // 07:14

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Originally Posted by Lady Yuna

super rare, it's up for interpretation lol

gaile also said that the drop from the z chest that nobody got so far was also "super rare".

NeHoMaR · Feb 25, 2008, 07:20 AM // 07:20

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Originally Posted by kerpall

People buy things out of rarity, if you can't afford a r7, then you wouldnt understand. They buy them for the sole reason "Just because i Can".

Don't take it personal, but buying things because "You can" is extremely stupid, in games and in real life. You should have a logic reason. The magic word is: Vanity.

Cacheelma · Feb 25, 2008, 07:21 AM // 07:21

It's not showing in trade CHAT (as you can't do it). It's showing via TRADING with other people, which means they MUST accept the trade before you can show it. In other words, they must agree to HELP YOU BOOST YOUR EGO.

Other vanity items don't have this limitation. So as I said earlier, these low req items are either for collecting, or in the case of a shield, for some builds with low Str/Tactics/Command/Motivation. Not much else.

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Originally Posted by kerpall

Ugh.. All the sceptics asked for evidence. Evidence was provided by Anet Dev's. Now you are questioning the devs (cmon, they made the game! thats like questioning Einstein if E really equals Mc^2...)

Oh trust me, Einstein, like any good scientists out there, could prove it to you if you've asked. He wouldn't say "believe me I'm Einstein" like how you suggest us to believe some radom John The Dev's words here.

It's not like we don't trust the developers, mind you; it's that Gaile's words are so vague which could lead to John's answering one thing that's not really what we want to know. So at the end of the day, both Gaile and John's words are up for interpretation.

zwei2stein · Feb 25, 2008, 07:22 AM // 07:22

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Originally Posted by maraxusofk

gaile also said that the drop from the z chest that nobody got so far was also "super rare".

Maybe so rare that it does not drop at all?

That would REALLY be rare. Cant get any rarer than item with 0 copies existing and 0 chance to drop.

afya · Feb 25, 2008, 07:24 AM // 07:24

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Originally Posted by kerpall

Ugh.. All the sceptics asked for evidence. Evidence was provided by Anet Dev's. Now you are questioning the devs (cmon, they made the game! thats like questioning Einstein if E really equals Mc^2...)

Well Einstein gave info about the equation, while Devs only said there is a req7 drop. We don't know whether it is max?gold?inscri.? I think these are inportant. We all know non-max req7 do drop, don't we?

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Originally Posted by maraxusofk

gaile also said that the drop from the z chest that nobody got so far was also "super rare".

Z chest is only out for 2 months tho.

Gift3d · Feb 25, 2008, 07:28 AM // 07:28

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Originally Posted by NeHoMaR

That comparison is out of place because when you are in FoW armor people can SEE it, if you have a req14 purple elemental sword people cannot see any difference with the req7 gold one. So, in short words, if you wanna show you are rich using low req weapons, so you must unequip it all the time and show it to others everywhere via trade window.

Well i have one R7 15^50 sword, and one R7 +30hp shield i keep for those "just in case" times. I don't ever flash them around though like a trophy. My r7's have ugly skins, they're just for their practical low-req. use.

You'd be surprised how many times i've been greatful for those R7's, and the times they have REALLY come in handy. In fact, i don't think i would've been able to beat that norn tournament so easily if it weren't for that R7 sword of mine... Maybe a r8 would have cut it, but not a r9.

kerpall · Feb 25, 2008, 07:34 AM // 07:34

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Originally Posted by afya

Well Einstein gave info about the equation, while Devs only said there is a req7 drop. We don't know whether it is max?gold?inscri.?

Hmm true, but i think its safe to assume that the dev would not waste his time explaining to us that r7 non-max's drop. So that rules out max / non max. Gold, purple, blue, regardless it is still a r7 max drop.

whether or not he was refering to inscribable or not is still unclear, but lets looks at it this way...

The thread was about "Do r7's still drop?" , and if r7 inscribable max items have never dropped yet, that rules them out.

Cacheelma · Feb 25, 2008, 07:35 AM // 07:35

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Originally Posted by Gift3d

Well i have one R7 15^50 sword, and one R7 +30hp shield i keep for those "just in case" times. I don't ever flash them around though like a trophy. My r7's have ugly skins, they're just for their practical low-req. use.

You'd be surprised how many times i've been greatful for those R7's, and the times they have REALLY come in handy. In fact, i don't think i would've been able to beat that norn tournament so easily if it weren't for that R7 sword of mine... Maybe a r8 would have cut it, but not a r9.

Then you were fooling yourself.

No offense, but if it's only a shield I'd understand. But if you use a sword with only 7 in Swordsmanship, you shouldn't even bother using a max damage sword; you won't get the maximum damage output from your sword attacks anyway. 15-22 or 14-20 or even 13-19 won't really make any different, especially in, what you said, NORN TOURNAMENT.

maraxusofk · Feb 25, 2008, 07:38 AM // 07:38

how bout this? would this be useful?

not mine fyi.

kerpall · Feb 25, 2008, 07:39 AM // 07:39

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

Then you were fooling yourself.

No offense, but if it's only a shield I'd understand. But if you use a sword with only 7 in Swordsmanship, you shouldn't even bother using a max damage sword; you won't get the maximum damage output from your sword attacks anyway. 15-22 or 14-20 or even 13-19 won't really make any different, especially in, what you said, NORN TOURNAMENT.

most skillful builds utilize several attributes. Not all of us use noob builds with 16 swordsmanship + rest spread out feebily between 3-4 other attributes.

It's called somthing, like umm... Balancing you attribute points, so that you arent spending unnecessary points.

kerpall · Feb 25, 2008, 07:40 AM // 07:40

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Originally Posted by maraxusofk

how bout this? would this be useful?

not mine fyi.

Very useful for mo/n 55 , utilizing any death magic skills? They have the benefit of +12 energy, with the benefit of not having to waste 12 attribute points in death, but just 7.

EDIT: good for 130 derv builds that may utilize death skills, and not use a scythe as their main weapon.

arcanemacabre · Feb 25, 2008, 07:48 AM // 07:48

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Originally Posted by kerpall

Hmm true, but i think its safe to assume that the dev would not waste his time explaining to us that r7 non-max's drop.

There was really no 'explanation' to be had, though. Gaile asked this guy if Requirement 7 items still drop, and he said "Yes," rather "definite and immediate." The actual convo could've gone like so:

Gaile: Hey, John - quick question from a player...
John: Sure, what's up?
Gaile: Do requirement 7 items still drop?
John: Yes.
Gaile: Great, thanks! (scuttles off to make infamous post)

Now, take that as you will. It's more than possible that many of the devs are not as *keen* on many aspects of GW as much as players are. This 'John' may very well be the dev who works on things like loot tables, etc. However, he may not know the immense value players have placed on low requirement max items, and might not realize the true implications of Gaile's question - thinking that she was simply asking if that specific requirement digit still exists in the game; max, non-max, doesn't matter.

The very fact that Gaile didn't specify max leaves the quote to misinterpretation, as 90% of her other quotes. Of course, a simple drive-by post from her to clarify this would fix everything and end the dispute. But, like any horrible movie based on plot holes, that would be far less interesting and would leave us with nothing to talk about.

kerpall · Feb 25, 2008, 08:00 AM // 08:00

@ Gaile, answer our questions T_T , pleeeese.

manitoba1073 · Feb 25, 2008, 08:06 AM // 08:06

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

There was really no 'explanation' to be had, though. Gaile asked this guy if Requirement 7 items still drop, and he said "Yes," rather "definite and immediate." The actual convo could've gone like so:

Gaile: Hey, John - quick question from a player...
John: Sure, what's up?
Gaile: Do requirement 7 items still drop?
John: Yes.
Gaile: Great, thanks! (scuttles off to make infamous post)

Now, take that as you will. It's more than possible that many of the devs are not as *keen* on many aspects of GW as much as players are. This 'John' may very well be the dev who works on things like loot tables, etc. However, he may not know the immense value players have placed on low requirement max items, and might not realize the true implications of Gaile's question - thinking that she was simply asking if that specific requirement digit still exists in the game; max, non-max, doesn't matter.

The very fact that Gaile didn't specify max leaves the quote to misinterpretation, as 90% of her other quotes. Of course, a simple drive-by post from her to clarify this would fix everything and end the dispute. But, like any horrible movie based on plot holes, that would be far less interesting and would leave us with nothing to talk about.

Sorry but I will say this again just so you guys dont keep getting confused. The question that was asked was does max req7 golds still drop. That is what Gaile asked John.

She didnt say do req 7's drop. ILL bold it this time for you guys SHE ASKED DOES MAX REQ 7'S GOLDS STILL DROP

arcanemacabre · Feb 25, 2008, 08:09 AM // 08:09

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

SHE ASKED DOES MAX REQ 7'S GOLDS STILL DROP

Oh ok, well as long as you were there and listened to their conversation.

Excuse me for not believing you. I certainly don't see that in her quote. Just because that's -exactly what you asked- doesn't mean that's -exactly what she asked- verbatim. Not a huge stretch of the imagination to realize it's possible.